This week I spoke with Nick Pope, he of the UK’s Ministry of Defence UFO desk. This started because I had seen a couple of posts on the Internet suggesting that Nick was some sort of dupe or shill hiding the real UFO program. He was an agent of disinformation. I have been accused of much the same thing, so we talked about that briefly before moving onto more exciting aspects of UFOs. You can listen to the interview here:
One of the things that I wanted to clear up, at least in my own mind, is just how big was the UFO investigation when he was there. According to him, he had a small staff, much like that at Project Blue Book, but he had any number of subject
matter experts he could query when he needed them. It seemed, from what
he said, that the attitude, at least around him, was a little less rigid than
that at Blue Book. In other words, they weren’t pressed to provide a solution.
They could say, “I don’t know.”
|Nick Pope. Photo copyright by Kevin Randle.|
I did ask about some of the best of the cases out of the UK. He provided some details about sightings that involved multiple witnesses to a triangular object, one with a pilot seeing a huge object that did have some radar confirmation, and a brief discussion of the Rendlesham Forest landing in 1980.
For me this was an interesting discussion because I had faced some of the same criticisms that Nick had faced. He said he had been criticized for writing science fiction, and that, as a former member of the intelligence community, he was often met with comments about hiding the real information. We did touch briefly on some of the misconceptions about work in intelligence.
On future shows, I hope to learn more about Calvin Parker’s second encounter, a discussion of Project Blue Book the television show with someone who didn’t care for it, and about skepticism and proper UFO research. There are many other shows dealing with paranormal subjects that can be found at xzbn.net/.